Wilhelm Odendaal[1]
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Name Wilhelm Odendaal Gender Male Death 19 Jan 1732 [1] Person ID I9052 My Genealogy Last Modified 30 Apr 2026
Family 1 Susanna Biebouw Marriage 13 Sep 1711 [1] Family ID F302712929 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 3 Apr 2020
Family 2 Judith Nel, c. 3 Aug 1698 Marriage 9 Nov 1714 [1, 2] - Stellenbosch Marriages
1714
11 9br (November) Willem Odendaal Wedr., met Judith Nel van
Cabo jongedr.
Hello Dorothy,
WM> The date of birth I have came from the article I mentioned, along
WM> with the dates of birth of the other children. Also the marriage
WM> date of 11 Nov. 1717
WM> It seems he must have misread the year in which the marriage took
WM> place? I must say, this article was written with authority!
I can't find this article in the FAMILIA 2009 No. 1 ??
I have written about this one before. I originally consulted the LDS
microfilm version of the Stellenbosch marriage register and took my
info for various marriages from there.
Later I obtained a copy of the same registers that had been
photocopied in the 1980s and now live in the Cape and Pretoria
archives. The 1714 marriage page in the LDS copy (which does not bear
any year date on it at all as it runs from May to November) has been
bound between a page ending with 1717 June and a page starting with
1717 September.
If this page is in fact 1714 (as in the LDS film and as I believe to
be the case) a lot of marriages fall into the correct
date, rather than being a few years later than the first children -
Van Zyl, De Vries, Odendaal. As the Archives copies are bound the page
with the date 1714 runs from Jan to April at the bottom of the page,
and the next page starts 1715.
I hope that is not too confusing. In short, the 1714 May to November
seem to have been misbound as 1717 in the Archives copy and misled a
good number of poeple.
WM> I see on MOOC8/7.1a - Willem Odendaal (jnr - my brackets) "van den
WM> landbouwer Jan Odendaal rd:s208.16 over soveel denselven in seeven termijnen
WM> moet betaalen, sijde 't geen den overleeden Willem Odendaal over d'
WM> erfportie van wijlen sijn moeder Judith Nel wed:e Willem Odendaal d'
WM> oude........) referring to Judith NEL as his mother.
Yes, seems pretty good - Judith Nel's wills would be good to read
though. The ones she made as a widow are most likely to mention the
names of her children.
Cheers,
Richard
Children 1. Adriaan Izaak Odendaal, c. 29 Jun 1732 2. Gerrit Odendaal, c. 26 Feb 1730 3. Hendricus Johannes Odendaal, c. 28 Nov 1723 4. Johannes Odendaal, c. 14 Apr 1720 5. Judith Odendaal, c. 27 Apr 1727 Family ID F302712928 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 3 Apr 2020
- Stellenbosch Marriages
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Notes - Stamvader:
Willem or Wilhelm Odendaal or Odendall, of Keulen (Germany). Arrived in the Cape 1706 as a soldier; later builders servant, then burger and tailor. Married 13.9.1711 Susanna Biebow, daughter of Detlef Biebow, of Mecklenburg and the slave Diana van Madagascar also known as Diana van de Kaap; married again 11.11.1717 to Judith Nel.
- Willem of Wilhelm Odendaal of Odendall, van Keulen (Duitsland). Kom in 1706 hier aan as soldaat; later boukneg; daarna burger; kleremaker. Oorl. 19.1.1732. Trou 13.9.1711 met Susanna Biebow, dogter van Detlef Biebow, van Mecklenburg; hertrou 11.11.1717 met Judith Nel (9 kinders).
Hello Dorothy,
WM> There seems to have been a disagreement on whether the mother of
WM> Willem * 23.10.1715 was Susanna BIEBOUW or Judith NEL.
There seems no doubt if you check the marriage and baptismal
registers, as I have just done for you:
Stellenbosch Marriages
1714
11 9br (November) Willem Odendaal Wedr., met Judith Nel van
Cabo jongedr.
Stellenbosch Baptisms, page 79
1715
Willem, d'Vader Willem Odendaal, d'Moeder Judith
Nel, getn. Willem Nel, en Jannetie la bat
10 Nov: 1715
There are 5 children baptised to Willem Odendaal and Judith Nel in the
Stellenbosch register.
Willem
Susanna
Joannis
Henricus Johannes
Judick
Adriaan Isac
Where did you get a birth date for Willem Odendaal?
WM> In an article I read in the FAMILIA 2009 No. 1, (by Mr. Odendaal)
WM> it was said that Judith did not include Willem in her Will, but
WM> left her farm to her son Johannes * 1719 - saying this was because
WM> Willem was not her son.
Judith Nel seems to have died around 1763 (to judge from the NAAIRS
index) and made at least one will jointly with her husband and two as
a widow. You would really need to read them all to check out that
statement which, given the inscriptions above, seems unlikely?
Cheers,
Richard
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Richard Ball,
Norfolk, England
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